21 QUESTIONS WITH
ROY LASSITER

Roy Lassiter was one of MLS' deadliest forwards and left the league having scored more times than anyone else. His 27 goals in MLS' first season is still a single-season record and it was only in 2004 that Jason Kreis surpassed his career goal scoring mark.

Roy was gracious enough to talk to GolNoir from Austin, TX about his career, his views on coaching, what really happened on the night that led to his run in with the law and that memorable airplane celebration.


We are pleased to have Roy Lassiter in the house. Roy Lassiter, was until this past season, the all-time leading goal scorer in Major League Soccer with 88 goals in his 7 seasons in MLS. We're pleased to have him in the house to play 21 Questions. Roy, how are you?

I'm doing good. It's definitely an honor to be on such a huge list of players that contributed to Major League Soccer in that inagural season.

We'll talk about that inaugural season in a little bit, so let's play 21 Questions.

1)You grew up in the Raleigh area where, although basketball is probably the main sport, there are several youth soccer programs. What was it about the beautiful game that drew you to soccer and kept you from drifting into other sports?

My next door neighbor was a coach at North Carolina State University and I went to the games. I was actually playing at the Boys Club there in Ralheigh, NC. I played several sports and my first sport was actually baseball and I played basketball a lot as well. So I started playing soccer. I was dribbling around, faster than everybody. I didn't have a lick of talent but I had the skill to put the ball in the back of the net. I just kept on doing it.

2) As a product of youth soccer programs, do you feel that enough is done to attract Black youth in the select youth programs, and if not what do you think can be done to increase the level of Black participation there. I really don't think enough is being done, especially for African-Americans, in terms of getting into some of these communities where there is inevitably some phenomenal talent. Myself and Eddie Pope, while we were in Washington, got into some of the neighborhoods and spoke to the African-Americans kids there.

If they can see that they are able to suceed in the sport of soccer, they'll do good. We need to keep reaching out to them and introducing the sport to them. It's going to take people like maybe myself and Eddie Pope and some of other African-American icons out there and help these African-American kids realize that they can do well in this sport.

It's like the old saying, if kids can see it, they can do it. So if we can show them that there's potential there for them in that sport, just as there is in basketball & baseball and football, African-Americans will show well in soccer.

3) You mentioned your connections with NC State and you actually had an All-American career there. After that, you went to go play in Costa Rica. How did that opportunity come about?

I was playing with the US National team at the time. Right after I finished at NC State Bora (Mulitinovich, former US National Team Head Coach) called me in and I was one of 52 players who stayed. There were people watching us from Costa Rica that had some interest in me. They talked to Bora and Bora thought it was a good idea. Unfortunately I was not able to go at that time (due to a broken ankle) and I had to wait about three months to be able to get back on my feet again. The team actually waited and ended up signing me after about four months.

4) Your time in Costa Rica was quite productive. You met your wife, learned Spanish and on the soccer front, were named Foreign Player of the Year. Talk about your experiences there and how they made you a better player.

I'll tell you what man, the first year was challenging. I couldn't speak Spanish that well. I took it for three years at NC State. NOT the same!!!! But, yeah, that first year was kinda tough. I was living in a house club. It was kinda run down, no one really took care of it. There were a couple of players from the west side of Costa Rica that spoke a language called patois that was a kind of English and Spanish. So we related that way and that helped me along a whole bunch. I had to intermingle with them to kind of get the language and I did end up learning it in a year.

Then after that first year I ended up getting married after I met my wife Wendy. Another team wanted me so they picked me up and that's when I started relaxing a little bit and do my thing. I only scored one goal my first year as I was playing on the wing. I had to get up and back, up and back and didn't have the energy to get goals. My second year, I played a little bit of wing but I also started to play a little forward, my real position, and I scored seven goals that season and attracted attention from a big club in Costa Rica called Alajuela. They picked me up and that's when everything really started to blossom. I had my son a year later!

That was a tremendous experience for me, knowing other countries and players, getting used to another culture which was definitely educational and learned a lot going through some flat times.

5) After you came back and started getting some more play with the US National Team, you introduced us to the airplane celebration. Where did THAT come from?

Actually I started doing the airplane when I was at Tampa Bay. "Pibe", Carlos Valderrama was my roomate and he was also my neighbor. He was probably the biggest professional I've ever played with and he wanted us to do certain things and make up stuff. I made up that and he followed me and the rest of the team followed after every goal. It just really made the team comfortable. It was just the spirit that I had and it put some spirit in the team. We never wanted the cheat the game and we respected the game and that's what it was all about.


Roy flies away with Claudio Reyna in tow
after scoring against Costa Rica in 1997

6) Speaking of Tampa Bay you literally terrorized MLS Defenses in 1996 setting the still-standing single season record for goals in a with 27. I know every professional athlete has confidence but did you expect to blow up like that?

Maybe not as such but I knew I could. It wasn't far from my mind. I always knew I wanted to have a good midfielder. I always thought that if I had a good midfielder, I could do a lot, could really do some damage. You know, hey, they gave me one of the best in the world in Carlos Valderrama and I wanted to take advantage of that. I would have to say that Carlos gave me a lot of confidence, playing with players like that, Giuseppe Galderisi, Martin Vazquez, all these kind of players that were around me just made me even bigger and helped me grow even faster (as a player). Staying humble and learning from them, that's how it was all created and without them, none of that would have happened.

7) You've mentioned "El Pibe", and what a great midfielder he was. Did your play in Costa Rica helped you get on the same page with him that first season?

Oh that's without a doubt. That is DEFINITELY without a doubt. I could not have come from college, knowing what I knew. How to read a game, how to make my runs, how to time my runs, how to read a top professional like Carlos Valderrama? There would have been no way. It would have taken me a year or two to adjust to him. I think any player that was going to come in and playing along side with Carlos Valderrama with little to no experience, it would have been almost impossible. That player would have to have been playing with a national team or some kind of upper level soccer to be able to read his game.


Carlos Valderrama
(wsoccer)

8) After your first season, when it seemed that you'd be competing with Brian McBride for a spot alongside Eric Wynalda on the National Team first 11, it seems the critics, led by ESPN's Seamus Malin started drawing their knives. They labelled you "one dimensional", "lazy" and "needing service", negative connotations that stayed with you throughout your MLS career It seemed to me that people were trying to explain away your goal totals. How much did these labels & the general lack of respect bother you and how would you respond to those criticisms.

I would say that it bothered me a lot. They have to understand that each and every player has his role on the soccer field. I'm by no means a lazy player. I worked very hard and I stayed after practice and worked very hard. Those goals don't come to lazy players. Lazy players don't get that many goals in one season and I didn't just do it that season. I did it in another season and I did it in another season and I did it in another season. So I tend to wonder. That's laziness? I might as well stay lazy if I'm going to keep scoring goals as such. So yeah, I didn't like it too much.

I just thought that they wanted to have certain players that they could call "good" when in the background a lot players would say "You're the one that's really good, they're just not labelling you as such. You should have been one of the highest paid in Major League Soccer." But no, they gave it to several players who only did half as much as I did as far as production on the field. So those kind of things, yeah, they really did bother me and I didn't like the titles they were giving me but I had to keep going.

It was almost like I have to prove them wrong all the time every time when I got on the field. When I got on the field, I knew EXACTLY what I was doing. That was my office, that was my territory and I knew it well.

9) In the early part of 1998 in what was probably the most lopsided trade in MLS History, you went to DC United for Roy Wegerle. Eddie Pope has said that he believed that squad was MLS' greatest ever team, even though you didn't win the championship. Why hasn't there been a side since '98 that was as dominant as you were?

Man, I'd have to agree with Eddie. That was probably the most dominating team. It had special players & players with lots of talent. Players with names, players that had experience, players that had went to the World Cup. All of these things make a player grow in an exponential way and when that sort of confidence comes to you and if you're good enough, you tend to ride with it instead of letting it overwhelm you.

Going to DC, that's where I was born and I like DC a whole lot. I knew I was going to do well there. I didn't even know about the trade, I first heard about it on TV, then I got a phone call the next morning and wife looked at me and said, "Did you do this?" I was like, "No No I had no idea". I wanted to stay in Tampa Bay. But I knew things weren't going well. Valderrama wasn't there anymore, service wasn't there anymore so what was going to top Valderrama? Almost nothing. So it was almost ideal for me, moving from Valderrama to (Marco)Etcheverry.

For me it was a ride. Eddie was my roommate from the National Team so I reunited with him, Tony Sanneh, all of those people who were there who were my really good friends, I felt at home. That's what helped elevate when I was at DC.

10) You followed one of your great highs, winning MLS Cup '99 as a member of DC United with getting exiled to the Miami Fusion so that United could sign Chris Albright, who fell woefully short of matching your 30+ goals at RFK. You then were critcized for daring to ask for compensation befitting of the league's all time leading goal scorer. I know you touched on it briefly but how frustated were you with that whole situation and the negative press regarding your salary demands?

Man, I think anyone would have done the same thing. I really do. I don't want to get in depth as to my true feelings because it's over and done with. But that was the real turning point in my career. If I was to stay in DC...man, they were already talking about trading me halfway through the season and I had already scored 15 goals. Halfway through the season! I would have beaten my record and that was my goal. You noticed after the All-Star break I only scored two goals after that. It was mind boggling, it was like a slap in my face. I'd worked this hard, done this much for DC and they want to get rid of me for some kid coming of COLLEGE who had never proven himself at all, and they were going to heed as to where he wanted to go, which was DC United. Who DIDN'T want to go to DC United at that time? So that I really didn't like at all. So they were going to raise my salary and they did but I wanted it raised to the highest if they were going to do that to me. They were sending me to a team at the low end of the table and didn't have the quality of team or club. I mean this team was working out of a trailer while at DC United we had our own club house, ya know? It just didn't sit well with me and it started a sour, downhill scale for me and well, that was probably it for me.

11) You once said that a well known National Team Defender called you a nigger during an MLS game. I'm curious how often of an occurence this was during your MLS career and whether that's an experience common to other Black players?

Um, that was a one time experience. This was a player that was very weak, a very weak defender. We weren't gonna have it. We took it to the league and they took action because the league did not want that all. No one was going to have that. Everyone heard it and knew it and it not only made myself but several other players on the team upset. The player apologized, end of story, we went on. I know it was in the heat of the game but that's really crossing the line; that's really showing me I really HAD you in the game. From there I let it go. There were a few other Black players to whom that happened in the league but the league definitely addressed that and made it known that wasn't going to continue and I haven't heard any of that stuff since then.





12) As lethal as you were in MLS, it has to be said that your goal scoring record didn't translate to the National Team level. Why do you think that was?

Well, we didn't have a Valderrama (laughs) and I rarely ever played when Claudio (Reyna) played. I really don't know. I had so much confidence when I got to the National Team. I could have been much more. There were times I would start some but other times I would play 45, 30, 20 minutes at most. On the club team, they made me feel like I was huge, but on the National Team it was like, "You aren't a top guy." I was a player of emotion, a player of passion, a player that liked to be known as one of the go to guys. But when you get to the National Team, of course, you got all 20 of them who are go to guys or should be. There were very good players and everyone liked to do what they liked to do.

The US National Team wasn't what it is today: Fast thinkers, fast movers always going forward. We were real defensive back then. We didn't blow out a lot of teams so that's probably it. You put myself, when I played with DC, on the National Team now, it would be a different story. You have players that are more offensive minded & faster. I thought of myself as being a fast, fast thinker but on the US National Team we weren't too fast going foward. We weren't fast minded about dumping the ball over the top and getting behind defenders. We weren't playing that style of play. We were playing totally different; real defensive becasuse at that time we didn't have the youth coming through so fast like we do now. We didn't have the (Landon) Donovans and the Beasleys. We didn't have players like that on the National Team and I figured myself as such. I mean, Brian McBride, he's not fast. He'll get the ball in the air and he'll put it in the goal for you but other than that he's on the ground. "Let's get it out wide, let's cross it, let's get a goal." I liked to penetrate through the middle. I like crosses, I think it's very effective but I guess that's my excuse (laughs).

13) Steve Sampson's decision to leave you off the 1998 World Cup roster and bring a 3rd goal keeper instead certainly raised some eyebrows, especially in light of the fact that the US scored one goal, a meaningless one late in the match against Iran. I know it's been about seven years now but does that decision, along with Sampson's subsequent mea culpa still bother you?

That was shocking! Shocking! He called me in DC. At that time I was very hot with DC United. I think I had scored six goals in six games after being traded from Tampa. He called me and said "Roy, I'm seriously thinking about taking you to the World Cup but right now, I'm putting you on my alternate team and you'll be the first one to go if anything happens to anyone." I think I was expecting him to say "Roy I'm taking you" when he called but he didn't. That conversation was like, "Oh, you're not taking me? Ok Whatever. I'll see you later." I didn't understand. I was hoping he would get it when he got to the World Cup and well, he did. They weren't producing on the field, they weren't getting along off the field.

I goto Costa Rica every year and he saw my wife because that particular year I didn't go. He apologized to my wife and said, "You know I feel really bad. I should have taken Roy." So, you know, he apologized and he was a good man to do that. It's all over with, no problem. Plus I didn't want to just go and sit. I wanted to play. I mean, I think I would have gotten off the bench considering our results. I think everybody played at the World Cup. Eric Wynalda had gotten hurt, Wegerle was not at his fullest either. So I think I would have gotten in and played and been able to contribute to our team.

14) Which US National Team goal was sweeter, the one against Saudi Arabia in DC in that 4-3 comeback win or the the one in San Jose, Costa Rica that tied the score at 2-2 and silenced the crowd at Estadio Saprissa on your return to Costa Rica back in March of 1997?

I would have to say the one against Saudi Arabia. Not only the goal but the game itself. It was a huge comeback, a good team. Saudi Arabia was an excellent team, the moved the ball very well. I felt like the game was moving at a 120 MPH. But I had played with Tab (Ramos) a lot. I really liked playing with Tab. His style of play was more of what I was looking for as a midfielder, a guy who got the ball in the middle and immediately looked for the foward, instead of playing it to a wing and trying to cross it in and all that stuff. That was the sweetest, the most memorable goal with the US National Team although I remember the other one.

15) Speaking of the National Team, you mentioned some of the younger players coming through such as DaMarcus Beasley and Landon Donovan. How excited are you about Eddie Johnson's start to his international career?

He's a good friend of mine. I think he's a very humble player who's definitely going to make it. I saw him a couple of months ago in Dallas and was saying, "Hey Roy, I just want to be like you, man." I was like, "Hey, you're going to be better than me. You need to be better than me." So, just those comments, like that, from a kid like that, he's going to go very, very far. I hope he does. I tried to jump in and be his agent, but it didn't happen (chuckles). But he's definitely going to go far. He's a very exciting player to watch on TV and in person.

16) If you don't want to answer this, I understand. The story has been often told regarding your run in with the law. How did that experience change you as a person and what effect did it have your career, if any?

Why wouldn't I want to answer that? This is something that happend when I was very young. It actually helped me a whole lot. It was a blessing to me actually. Nike still stayed with me, Nike paid my restitution. They said all these kind of things about me and really, I only did about half of what they said but they blamed it on me becaus I wasn't even in the US at the time and had NO idea what was going on.

It helped me, it was a young man's mistake and I've gotten well over it, have grown up since then and it's a story for me, a story to tell to kids to let them know, hey, I'm not perfect. I had no mentors back then, none whatsoever. I was living with my Mom, my Dad had already moved out, my brother was already in school and I was sitting in the house with a cast on my leg. Then I go out with some friends and they go crazy and they want to go to this other house and I told them I'd drive. I'm sitting with crutches and a cast on my leg. All of a sudden they go into this duplex. They went into this house and I was just there (in the car) and they took this stuff to these guys place and that was it. They got caught and said I was with them and I wasn't around because I was in Costa Rica.

So people say, "You did this" and "You did that". If you could see what actually happened, you would say, Man, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I shouldn't have been there but I was stupid and didn't know any better. You ask me today and I'd be like, man, I don't even goto parties. I don't even drink.

But it happened, probably was good for me. It made me realize what was really important, made me realize how to act & accelerated my ability to grow up so I think it was really good for me. I do Christian Crusades and I tell stories to the youth and sometimes when I get very comfortable with a group, I like to tell them the things that happened to me before which really helps them in their growth as a person and helps them grow as a player as well.

17) You've stated that you want to be a professional coach and to that end you are now the Director of Coaching at the Dripping Springs Youth Soccer Club in Texas having previously been the director of the Chesapeake Youth Soccer Academy. We're starting to see a recycling of coaches in MLS like your former coach Thomas Rongen at Chivas USA and Fernando Clavijo now with Colorado. In light of the controversy we see in other sports regarding Black coaches, when do you think we'll begin to have similar discussions about Black coaches in MLS?

Man, I am trying to be one of the first. I'm going for my A License in July. I have the 88 ODP team and have been in contact with the US National Team & with Bruce (Arena) and they wanted to put me on the regional team. I've spoken with Bob Jenkins of the U-17 National Team and they've brought me in to help coach and see how they do things. Bruce has told me that he would like me to be in the US National Team youth staff and to take it slowly and learn all that I need to learn. I take it as seriously as I did when I was a player. Sometimes I lose sleep and my wife is wondering what's going on, thinking that part was over. I run a good organziation here at Dripping Springs it's very professional. I'm on top of things and I almost get no sleep because of it.

As you say, we do have a lot of recycling of the same coaches and we don't have enough to choose from. But now you've got Peter Vermes, you've got John Harkes working with the US Youth National Teams and that's where I want to funnel my career as well.

18) What current Black player or personality do you believe would be a solid coach in MLS?

I've noticed they're aren't a lot of professionals, Black, White Latin American, that are directors of coaching.

See, professionals have a problem. We go from being a professional player to thinking we can be a professional coach. I think this is not the correct route. I think the correct route is coaching the yourh first and coaching up through the youth ranks and then coaching at the professional level. A lot of professionals don't want to deal with the youth. They want to go right to the pros because that's something they can relate to but it limits their experience. I think having gone from getting the D License all the way to going for the A License, it makes me well rounded. I have a base, having coached all the way from the youth to the professional level. When I get my A (license) it will be at the international level.

I think we want to go straight to the pros because we can't handle the administrative part of being a director. We can't handle (dealing) with the kids and the parents, etc.

Who do I think could be a pro coach that's African-American? I don't know. I think Eddie could do well in that aspect, very well actually, and I know myself, I could do that with no problem. I don't know too many out there right now that have that affirmative voice, posture & look of being a coach. In the United States, you gotta have your foot in some kind of organization to be able to get to that next level. A lot of networking needs to be done, a lot of communication and that's what I do with Bruce, calling him, letting him know where I am, what my ideas are for the future so that he can count on me and have my name in the back of his mind, thinking "He's doing this, he's doing that, he's educating himself, let's bring him in and see how it goes" That's how I want it to start because from there, I WILL take it.

19) American soccer players often talk about the responsibility to help the sport grow in the US. As one of the more high profile Black players while in MLS did you feel an extra responsibility to help the league grow in the Black American community?

Oh, I sure did. I sure did. Living in DC, hey it's Chocolate City, man!!! It was up to myself, up to Eddie Pope for us to get out there and give that kind of recognition to our African-American players, give them that type of hope that there is a possibility they can grow & do well in this sport.

They see basketball on TV all the time, baseball, football, they see this all the time, so that's mentally, what they want to do. They say, hey, we have a lot to offer in this sport, a lot to offer African-Americans in this sport, I want to stick to this because there's more opportunity here. They don't think there is opportunity in soccer, the community doesn't even play soccer.

Then again, they think soccer is very expensive because at the club level it is expensive; 6,7,800 dollars, all the way up to 1000 a year to play. Some parents can't afford to do that, especially in some of those neighborhoods in Washington where I was going around doing guest speaking and stuff like that.

I think if we get out there and educate them we'll have them going on the right track as well.

20) To that end, you filmed a commercial in MLS' inaugural year in both spanish and english in which you said "I was an All-American but because I wasn't playing basketball, nobody knows who I am... My name's Roy, nice to meet you." Does that lack of recognition and knowledge of your career in the Black-American community frustrate you?

Probably so. But that's how it was at the time, though and that's what that commercial was for. It was because of lack of recognition, a lack of knowledge as to who I was, a lack of knowledge as to whether there were any African-Americans playing at all. I think Nike did the commercial for several reason, yes I was the leading goal scorer, yes I was African-American, yes I was on the National Team and now an icon in the Black community and being able to speak both English and Spanish, it was inevitably something Nike wanted to take advantage of. It helped not only the African-American players but the Latin players as well. This sport is here in America and it is for everyone.

21) The crack research staff at GolNoir has named you to the MLS All-time Best Black 11. Of Eddie Pope, Ezra Hendrickson, Uche Okafor or Robin Fraser, who of those four (also on the team) was the toughest defender for you and why?

I would have to say Eddie. Eddie is long legged, fast, strong...we played against each other when I was with Tampa Bay, Miami and Kansas City and he knew how I was. He never marked me to do harm. We've always been best of friends, always in communication. Actually I have a Roy Lassiter camp here in Austin in June and he's one of my guest speakers. I think he was my toughest defender to try and get by and outmanuever.

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Roy, thanks for playing 21 Questions and good luck with your coaching endeavors!

Thanks, man I appreciate it.

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